The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 4

Javier: I don't like to make people cry, though, so don't worry. I'm not gonna make you cry, Fancy.

Fancy: Oh, don't worry about it. I, I'm good.

Javier: This is Fancy Miceli. She simply goes by Fancy. Fancy says that she found Gypsy's story right around the same time that the HBO documentary came out

Speaker: HBO Doc Mommy Dead and Dearest: People thought of us as the sweetest mother, daughter, best people in the world

Fancy: So I very much identified with the story of this overbearing mother and this child who had gone through with that and everything. So I started figuring out that there were Facebook groups.

Javier: I contacted Kristy.

Speaker: Kristy Blanchard is Gypsy's stepmother, the woman who for years was one of Gypsy's closest lifelines to the outside world while she was in prison

Javier: She messages me back, and I'm, like, freaking out that she messages me back, you know, 'cause I'm like, "Oh my God. I did not expect this." You know, I basically just said, "Hey, I'm a small-time producer. Um, I do scripted series," and I thought maybe because the documentary's not everybody watches documentaries, maybe a scripted series would help, uh, explain this.

Speaker: And just like that, Fancy Miceli was in.

Javier: Let's talk about Fancy.

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: Oh, Lord.

Javier: Tell me about Fancy.

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: So she's a character. so Fancy had came in the, the picture in, I wanna say 2017, and she reached out to... I was still in prison. She reached out to my parents, so my dad and my step-mom, Christy. She came off as a, uh, producer.

Speaker: But Fancy wasn't a producer. I mean, not technically. She'd never really produced anything. She was more of a background actress who wanted to break into the industry, and when the Gypsy story came around, she saw her shot. That's why it's even more surprising that the Blanchards chose Fancy

Fancy: Kristy contacted me, told me that Gypsy and her had decided that I was the one they wanted to tell their story.

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: And she wanted to create what, would later, like something similar to The Act, who knows The Act?

Fancy: The Act, who had not come out yet. So I was there before The Act even got made and done.

Javier: Which is amazing, right?

Fancy: my producer.

Javier: 'cause this is like the biggest story, uh, that... I mean, this there is no bigger story

Fancy: bigger stories, and I had no idea what I was doing. I just fell into it. Like, I'm literally getting this call from Kristy, and I'm running into my job at TGI Fridays as a server,

Javier: did you tell about, like, what, what you would do and your experience?

Fancy: told them and I went down there, and I basically explained to them, I'm like, "Look, I can't promise that I can get this done, but because it's such a big story, and with your contacts and my contacts, I think we might be able to get this done." I'm working with them. I'm writing the pilot. We're pitching this thing. I had meetings at Netflix.

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: and then a month goes by, two months go by, and it, it just wa- something was off. There was nothing that was being produced.

Fancy: we just couldn't get any traction because people were telling me, "Well, by now the act has come out." And they're like, "Oh, the story's been done." And I'm like, "No, you've not heard the story this way."

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: and she was doing all these interviews, and it's kind of like, "I spoke to In Touch Weekly," and, and speaking for me, and doing all these media press junkets and stuff like this. And then you're promoting a project, a TV show, that doesn't exist. So after so, so much time went by and nothing was produced, I kinda started being wondering like, I don't think she is who she says she is. I... There's nothing to prove to me that she is a legit producer." She hasn't done anything.

Javier: No, no, even prior to that, like she-

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: Even prior to that. She was, like, an extra in Boy Meets World, like, one time.

Fancy: And just like that, Fancy's relationship with the Blanchards went south. but they didn't just go their separate ways. They went to war I worked him for two and a half years before I realized, "Hey, something's not right here."

Speaker: Fancy Miceli, an actress with almost no producing experience, somehow ended up holding the keys to the biggest true crime story of them all, the Gypsy Rose Blanchard case. She embedded herself with the family. They handed Fancy Gypsy's private medical records. Then they had a falling out. So what did Fancy do with these records? Did she return them to the Blanchards? No. Fancy posted the medical records online behind a paywall, and that's when everything changed. Because armed with these files, online critics galvanized against Gypsy. Inside them, they say, is proof that the narrative that we've all been fed is false, and buried in those records, a genetic condition that has never been made public. And buried in those records, a genetic condition that at the time had never been made public. One that Gypsy's critics say explains everything and proves that Dee Dee Blanchard did not have Munchausen by proxy. You're listening to the Gypsy Rose Obsession. I'm Javier Leva, and this is Pretend, stories about real people pretending to be someone else. Sure, Fancy Miceli has been around enough film sets to walk the walk, talk the talk. But how does a background actress with almost no producing experience land one of the biggest true crime stories in recent years? every producer in Hollywood must have been banging down the Blanchards' door wanting a piece of this story. So how in the world did they pick Fancy? I really wanted to know, so let's back up the story before their falling out

Javier: what were those conversations like, and how did it end up with them saying, "Hey Fancy, we want you"?

Fancy: I explained to her who I was, what I do, why I was asking the questions, you know, and what I was looking for. and she was very open to it, So I'm just gathering information at this point. And, she set me up with phone calls with Gypsy, and so I talked to Gypsy over the phone many times, Kristy calls me up and she's like, "Hey, today's the day." And I was like, "What's today the day?" And she's like, "It's the day our HBO contract ends, and Gypsy and I have decided that we'd really like you to come down here and meet us, you know, meet the family and, let's see what we can do."

Speaker: But first things first, Fancy had to convince Gypsy to sign her life away, literally. A life rights option is basically an exclusive deal that gives Fancy and her producing partner the rights to Gypsy's life story for one year. And they got it for ten dollars. In exchange, Fancy's production company got access to all of Gypsy's medical records, court documents, files, you name it. And if you read the contract carefully, Fancy wasn't actually obligated to produce or release anything. But she traveled to Louisiana, met the family, and during that trip, Kristy handed Fancy all of it. medical records

Javier: A little flash drive. Here it is right here, this little flash drive. And, I stuck this little flash drive in, and I took everything off the computer, and I went home with that.

Speaker: Once I g- take over this, my t- staff, my medical staff, who happens to be Dee Dee's best friend, old best friend who is a nurse, wanted to help, so she started helping. not exactly a medical staff, just some people who work in the medical field at some point.

Javier: I don't know, but we'll go with it. Remember, I'm consolidating time here, but in the beginning, things went off without a hitch At least for a little while. At the time, Fancy was firmly on Team Gypsy.From the time that Gypsy was born, there was nothing really medically wrong with her. She was fine except for a lazy eye, and there's nothing wrong with a lazy eye.

Speaker: Here's Fancy talking to The Real's Copycat Killers television show

Javier: Dee Dee somehow, showed up with a wheelchair. now she's claiming she can't walk. She kept creating situations where Gypsy would get worse and worse, but nobody could verify it. If a doctor didn't agree with Dee Dee, Dee Dee found a new doctor.

Speaker: Back then, Fancy believed that Dee Dee Blanchard was medically abusing her child. You know, Munchausen by proxy. But then Fancy started noticing some things that didn't add up. Little things at first, and it all came to a head over a prescription pad

Javier: And Christy sends me this, this, uh, picture and she's showing me that under the bed they found this prescription pad. And I'm like, "No, that doesn't look like a prescription pad to me at all."

Speaker: So I put out a post asking the community, "Does this look like a prescription pad?" And she immediately began-- she turned on me in a second and started attacking me. The way Fancy tells it, she was blindsided. People working with her started whispering in her ear

Javier: "Hey, we think Christy Blanchard is playing you and she's done this to many people before and here's the proof." So I confronted her, and it turned into a really bad situation. Um, she made up lies about me, having an STD, cheating on my husband. Knowing all of this, my daughter's in the hospital having spinal surgery, you know, and she's doing all of this behind the scenes with another content creator, pitting her against me. And so that was the breaking point. But funny thing is, is not a couple weeks later, when I'm trying to dig into stuff, Christy comes to me and says, "Well, hey, um, we got more medical records, and I, I wanted to give them to you." And I go, "Does Gypsy know that you want to give me these records?" Because, I mean, Christy and I were still kind of like okay, But she gives them to me, and I'm just like, "This is an odd time to get these." You know? Like, I've just done things that you don't like. You're very angry with me, but now you wanna provide me medical records that I've been asking for for a long time and I wasn't getting.

Speaker: Releasing the files on patreon

Javier: So I put out some of, like, I, I think it's over 360 pages of it, which is nothing, okay? Look, I, I want you to understand, if you look, I have about seven of these, big-ass binders that have her medical records in them, and that's just the ones I printed out. I put these out on Patreon. Now they're free, they're not, you don't have to pay for them anything. They're about 300 different ones that I put out, and a lot of it was something I found was the history from Louisiana, 'cause we never had any medical records from Louisiana.

Speaker: You heard right. She posted Gypsy's private medical records on Patreon. Yeah, the same place that podcasters and YouTubers post bonus episodes and give away stickers and T-shirts. Yeah, medical records. And in case you're wondering, the files weren't always free. She originally posted them at the thirty dollars a month level.

Javier: at one point they were behind a

Fancy: were not They were behind a paywall.

Javier: So tell me the,

Fancy: I originally put them behind a paywall. and I said, "Hey, if you guys subscribe to this for three months, you know, you guys get to help us in deciding, you know, blabbity blah what we talk about and yada yada." And I did that because I didn't just want them everywhere, and I thought, "Hey, if I can make some money to make the documentary, then I'm using it in the way that it was intended to be used." And our contract shows that I had a right to do any of that, she knew that I was gonna put them behind the paywall. Um, but it was all because we were making the documentary.

Speaker: Paywall Motives Explained

Fancy: So it wasn't like I was trying to like, "Oh, I'm gonna get rich off of selling gypsies..." N- no. I had a goal. I wanna make this documentary,

Speaker: I asked Gypsy about this

Javier: So back to Fancy.

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: Oh, boy.

Speaker: Okay.

Javier: So Fancy approaches your family. You're in prison, or jail. Yeah. Yeah. And- Well, prison at this point ... yeah. Prison. approaches your family. you're in prison, or jail. Yeah. Well, prison. at this Yeah.

Speaker: Oh, you were in prison. Yeah. And nothing's happening with this documentary.

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: Right.

Javier: And at some point you want, you want out. But your parents, not you, or who signed the documents?

Speaker: Um, my dad and my stepmom signed the, the contract So you're locked in, right? Mm-hmm. So we thought- Speaker 12: So the contract was, It was not through lawyers. It was like a template almost. was a template. so Fancy goes on to, threaten my dad and my stepmom that if, you know, we breach the contract, they'll lose the house, they'll lose everything. And I, I told Dad, I was like, "I think she's full of shit."

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Um, I'm taking a step back. I need to do what I need to do to prioritize my life at this point, and this woman has had all of three phone calls with me. The rest goes through y'all, and something is just not setting right with me. And so I break away. I block her on the tablet, the email system in prison. I don't call her. I don't have any communication with her. And having to kinda have my family break away too, my dad and my stepmom, and just trust me that I know that this doesn't feel right- um, was a leap of faith. And so they broke away too, Remember, all of this is happening and not a single frame of this television series or documentary was ever recorded

Javier: So because you guys backed out-

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: Mm-hmm ...

Javier: she flipped.

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: She flipped, yes.

Javier: And what was

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: the result of that? The result of that was, so m- my stepmom and my dad gave her some information like, court case files, medical records My medical records that should have never left my parents' possession was then used against us.

Javier: What was, what was part of those records?

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: I mean, it wa- it was a lot of, of, like, hospital visit records, history and physical records, um, by the account of my mom. So it's like per mom, this is the diagnosises and all of this, the medica- list of medications. So a generalized, medical history

Speaker: And I never gave her permission. Technically, she did give permission. It's right there in the contract her parents signed. But nobody envisioned Fancy turning on them and posting it all over the internet.

Fancy: Gypsy and her family sued me in Missouri. In

Speaker: In May 2024, Gypsy Rose Blanchard, along with her father, stepmother, and stepsister, filed a civil lawsuit against Fancy. The family says Fancy lied about her credentials, That she presented herself as a legitimate producer with real industry connections. that she never delivered on any of the media project that she promised. that she refused to return the medical files. and that she profited off their story without ever paying them a dime. They want it all back: the files, the medical records, the legal documents, and they're asking for damages, emotional distress, lost opportunities, and attorney fees

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: Um-

Javier: Do you think she actually

Speaker: to do this documentary? documentary? I think she intended to definitely try to put her name out in the, the spotlight- in whatever way she could. but because of her lack of knowledge in the industry and lack of experience, I mean, I could call myself a producer today. Does that make me one? But Fancy defends her decision. She says posting those records was the only way to show the world what was really in them

Javier: were you nervous about posting sensitive medical private data on, on the internet, paid or not paid? What-- And what made you finally say, "Okay, this is worth the

Speaker: Choosing Records To Refute

Fancy: 'Cause it was the only way to refute what Gypsy was saying. So I chose things that refuted lies. I didn't just dump her medical records out there. Like, I have thousands and thousands, and you saw I only put out about 300 pieces. I wasn't doing it maliciously. I was doing it as if, you know, this was all part of our documentary that we were putting together, you know? And so I put these things out there, and should I have put them behind a paywall? I don't know. I don't know if I should've at first.

Speaker: Like Fancy said, she only published a small number of medical records, and that lawsuit was eventually dropped because of jurisdiction issues. So now the records are out there, And that was enough to set off an army of internet sleuths and armchair medical experts. Here's TikTok content creator, itsashley

It's Ashely: Oh, you wanna talk about medical records? Let's get into it, honey. Right here she is ringing the bell because her tests came back. She's in remission from her fucking leukemia. Just in case you didn't know, you cannot fake leukemia. They're checking your white blood cell count and your hemoglobin. Also notice Gypsy has some bald spots up here. Squid, we gonna jump right into her feeding tube, honey. Gypsy Rose's weight has shown a increase, not a fucking decrease like her mama wasn't feeding her, an increase. Even with that feeding tube, she was underweight. Weight was that of a seven-year-old in 2004 when she was 13. Also, someone was coming to her fucking house, making sure feedings were going okay too, just so you know. So what did the internet find in these medical records? They say proof that Munchausen by proxy was completely made up. That's next after the break.

Speaker: ACT TWO - What do the medical records say Her victims don't believe Gypsy was a victim of Munchausen by proxy. They keep screaming in the comments on TikTok and YouTube, "Look at the FOIA files. Look at the medical records. Do your research, Javier." And I did.

It's Ashely: Also tells people, "Oh, we didn't have my Louisiana medical records." Right here, Mercy Hospital is requesting her records from Louisiana, and oh, look, there's her fake birthdays right there. Both the little spellings of her name. Gypsy has spun this shit like her mom had Munchausen when her mama was just stealing Medicaid, honey.

Speaker: Her mama was a scammer, a conner. Do you know who was lying about her symptoms? Gypsy. So what exactly do these medical records show? Let's dive in So where shall we start? Hmm, let's see. What do the medical records say about why Gypsy was in a wheelchair? So here's what Dee Dee told the doctors. A Children's Mercy Hospital record from May 2007 with Dee Dee listed as the informant states, and I quote, "Gypsy is paraplegic from birth. Gypsy is paraplegic from birth and in a wheelchair." End quote. Gypsy had been in a wheelchair her whole life because she was born that way? That's what her mother said? But then doctors would ask follow-up questions, you know, the way doctors do, and the story would shift a little bit. Sometimes it was muscular dystrophy, limb which is a real condition that affects muscles around the hips and the shoulder. No, cut that line out. Sometimes it was a fever episode shortly after Gypsy was born that may have caused the paralysis. And sometimes when pressed on the details, Dee Dee would explain that she wasn't entirely sure because, you know, she had suffered memory loss after a car accident. So depending on which record you're reading and which doctor wrote it down, you get a different answer. Paraplegic from birth, muscular dystrophy, post-fever paralysis, or mom can't remember The doctors and the nurses who examined Gypsy over the years wrote down what they were told. And because Dee Dee kept saying that the Louisiana records were lost in Hurricane Katrina, nobody had anything to check her story against. Every clinician who put their own words to it used the same kind of hedging Every clinician who put their own words to it use the same hedge: unknown, undetermined, unclear. A pulmonologist, a pediatrician, a neurologist, all of them circling the same way-- all of them circling the same word they couldn't bring themselves to say. We don't actually know what's wrong with this child. the neurologist at Children's Mercy who examined Gypsy in two thousand and nine noted something interesting. Dee Dee was telling him that Gypsy had no sensation whatsoever below the waist, complete paralysis. And yet when the doctor lightly touched Gypsy's lower limbs, she reacted All these doctors could see that something was wrong with this child, but they just couldn't confirm what or why or when it started because the only person who had those answers was Dee Dee And Dee Dee kept changing them. So was Gypsy paralyzed or had muscular dystrophy? Well, we can rule out paralysis because I've seen her walk with my own eyes. Plus, there are videos of Gypsy around that time in a wheelchair where you could clearly see her legs moving. And the argument goes, if Dee Dee genuinely believed that her daughter was paralyzed from the waist down... And the argument goes, if Dee Dee genuinely believed that her daughter was paralyzed from the waist down, how did she miss that? It was right there on camera. Or maybe Dee Dee really believed that she had muscular dystrophy. I mean, that's possible. Keesh - Tiktok: So what's the story now? She shaves her own head. She pretended she couldn't walk. I mean, what more do you want from this public figure who is infamous for unaliving her mother? The critics want you to believe that a fourteen-year-old Gypsy was the mastermind behind all of this, that she fooled every doctor, every nurse, every social worker, and her own mother for years, That Dee Dee had absolutely no idea. I spoke with content creator Audacious Audrey about this.

Javier: This thing goes back a long time. And even with the microdeletion stuff, like even when you take that into consideration, like the idea that s- a little girl would be so conniving and scheme to ha- be on a wheelchair and shave her head and act like she's paralyzed and, uh, that she cooked this whole scheme up by herself just seems really far-fetched

Audrey: I mean, it seems far-fetched, but there are documented cases of crazy kids, if you will, psychopaths. We have in her own words that she lied to her mom and withheld that she could walk. So that puts her going into a wheelchair in T- August of 2009, 'cause she said it happened with the motorcycle accident, which we have the document for that, and then all the way till 2011 whenever she ran away. in 2011 Gypsy's an adult at that point. It's not Dee Dee's responsibility to tell doctors her daughter can walk. It's her daughter's responsibility at that point as an adult to say, "Hey, guys, I can walk." Even if she had played it off, like, "Oh my God, the therapy's working," you know, something, it still falls on Gypsy because we have her word she withheld it from her mother. And if her mother is getting her treated for something that Gypsy tells her she has, I don't feel like Dee Dee could have won in that because you believe your daughter, because that's what parents do.

Speaker: So that was the wheelchair explanation, clear as mud. Now let's talk about the cancer claims. Blanchard and her mother, Dee Dee Blanchard, from Springfield, Missouri to the stage Let's go to the records. Dee Dee told the doctors that Gypsy had been diagnosed with leukemia at age five, a cancer of the blood and the bone marrow And she was treated a year earlier and has been in remission ever since. It's right there in the May 2007 Children's Mercy record That's it. That's the only sourcing, and Dee Dee was the one that said it, and a nurse wrote it down. Because here's the thing about leukemia, it doesn't happen quietly. A year of treatment means she should have had oncology appointments, chemotherapy logs, bone marrow results, letters from specialists, hospitalization records. It... I mean, this should leave a paper trail a mile long. And in this file, and in this file spanning years of Gypsy's medical history across multiple facilities, there's none of that, not a page. And that's because we don't have the records from when Gypsy lived in Louisiana. So we kinda have a little blind spot But what we do have is blood work. Children's Mercy ran a full blood panel on Gypsy in March of 2011, and her white blood cell count came back to nine point nine six, which is within the normal range of four point five to eleven. Her hemoglobin was slightly low at eleven point six. Otherwise, it was unremarkable. Nothing on-- No signs of cancer. Nothing that would raise a red flag in a patient with a history of leukemia Now, there's another record out there from a different facility that goes even further. under the immunologic section, A clinician wrote that Gypsy had a bone marrow transplant at the age of five. Not just leukemia, a bone marrow transplant. That's a month... That's a months long procedure requiring a donor match, a transplant center, and years of follow-up care But the problem is there's no documentation anywhere just Dee Dee's word. So did Dee Dee make this cancer story up, or was Gypsy in on it too? It depends on who you ask. Today, Gypsy will tell you that she never had cancer. You had cancer. You had leukemia." Like, no, I didn't. Like, what? But then you get answers like these in TikTok videos. Here's Gypsy explaining why she had her teeth pulled My teeth is something that I've always been really insecure about. The hospital gave me free dentures because chemotherapy and chemotherapy and treatments like that will rot your teeth. I asked Gypsy about this soundbite from the TV show Life After Lockup on Lifetime, and she told me that this clip was used in a promo and edited out of context. So I found the full clip.

Gypsy Rose Blanchard: I was given partials, free partials, from an oncology dental clinic. and they were free, um, because my mom told them that I went through chemo. What I remember is when they, when the dentist talked about extracting my teeth, my mom said, "Oh, it's fine. She, she doesn't, she's not a vain child. She's not concerned with her looks."

Speaker: And that's the thing about these social media videos. A lot of them are taken out of context. They show screenshots of medical documents that say the words bone marrow transplant, but they won't tell you that that wasn't the official diagnosis, that that was just Dee Dee telling the doctors and the nurses about Gypsy's missing medical history. The medical records are like the Holy Grail for Gypsy critics. Gypsy claims that she had dozens of surgical procedures, but her critics say that it was just a few and they were all necessary. But here's the problem. Fancy only posted a few hundred pages out of thousands. The rest of the records, the public has never really seen them But quite possibly the most explosive detail in the medical records is a genetic test result. But, but quite possibly the most explosive detail in these medical records is a genetic test results buried in the files. In March 2011, a chromosomal microarray... A chromosomal test confirmed that Gypsy had a deletion on chromosome one. It's called 1q21.1. And I know, I know we're not geneticists But this is a real rare condition, and it causes real documented physical symptoms like low muscle tone, developmental delays, small stature, eye alignment problems, seizures. Does this sound familiar? 'Cause critics say that this changes everything. That Dee Dee wasn't making up illnesses out of thin air. That- That some of what Gypsy went through was real, rooted in a genetic condition that nobody had identified yet. Fancy told me that this result was sitting in those files the entire time

Fancy: I had my girl Colleen and several other nurses who had gone over this.

Speaker: But she says that her medical team completely missed it the first time around.

Fancy: So I contact Colleen after I get off with this guy and I said, "Hey, do you remember when we-- when Titania found that chromosome disorder?" And she goes, "Yeah." And I said, "Could you please look at that one more time?" And within 10 minutes she calls me back and she's like, "Oh my God, Fancy, she has this microdeletion." And I'm like, "Are you kidding me?" And she's like, "No, I'm not kidding you." And she's like, "Fancy, everything that she had done, I mean everything that was done, is all connected to the 1q21.1 microdeletion that she has."

Speaker: here's TikTok content creator Hannah J.

Hannah J: If you read the actual evidence in her case, Gypsy actually was a very sick child, and her microdeletion had not yet been discovered. It had not been h- it had not been published or anything yet, so that's why they didn't know why she was so sick or what was going on. So yeah, she was actually sick. Her mom wasn't abusing her. She may have been pushing extremely hard to get medical care, but all of the procedures she got were in relation to her microdeletion complications.

Speaker: Here's Fancy again.

Fancy: So back in the day, I was grasping at straws. I had lots of things I believed, but I couldn't prove any of it 'cause I didn't have it.

Speaker: But then the FOIA videos came out, you know, the documents pulled by the Into the Weeds podcast

Fancy: and in this documents, these, these 111 videos, Gypsy admits to Nicholas on camera that she faked the paralysis for over 13 years, lied to her mother, to doctors, and all of her friends and family, that she did it. She had a seizure at six years old, which we verified, um, and that from the seizure she re- experienced temporary paralysis and that she decided that she liked the attention and thought mama loved her more when she was sick, so she decided to stay into this chair for all these years and she lied to everybody. So it's kind of like the perfect storm. There was like a little girl who decides, "Oh, I really like attention and I crave attention," which is a big thing with Gypsy Rose, "and how do I... Well, Daddy doesn't want anything to do with me, and Mama loves me more when I'm sick and I get all these things and I get to go do stuff and I go all over, all over the place.

Speaker: Genetics Deep Dive 1q21

Fancy: I'm just gonna sit my butt in this wheelchair for 13 years and not tell anybody." But in 2011 is when they discover the microdeletion. So all these years from nineteen ninety-one, I believe it's-- Yeah, nineteen ninety-one when Gypsy is born, all the way to two thousand and eight, they don't even have a name for this thing. They don't even know what it is. So the doctors were running the legitimate test trying to figure out what the problem is.

Javier: A lot of people in the anti-Gypsy community have pretty much said, "Aha, that's why Dee Dee was taking her to the doctor so much. That explains everything." But, does it? Does it explain everything?

Fancy: It does explain everything.

Javier: So like the feeding tube, the leukemia, the, the paralysis.

Fancy: of it. All of it.

Speaker: Next time on Pretend, I found a real genetic expert who's going to break down the microdeletion that Gypsy has and, and tell us once and for all the impact that it has on this case. Then we're gonna talk about the fraud Because they got a free house, trips to Disney World, gifts But the question is, who was orchestrating the fraud? That's next time on Pretend. Wow, we're already, um Can't believe we're already in episode four. Wow, I can't believe we're already on episode four. But guess what? Episode five, six, and seven, and eight, and nine, and ten, and there might be more, are going to be on Patreon and Apple Podcasts, and Pretend Plus on Apple Podcasts as soon as I can make them. So I am batch producing these episodes, and I'm posting them first. You will be able to listen to all these episodes free here on this feed, but it'll just have to wait, right? But you'll just have to wait because they release weekly. But if you wanna listen to them right now, head on over to Patreon and Pretend Plus on Apple Podcasts. You will be supporting local... You will be supporting independent journalism that will-- to bring you stories like these And you get ad-free early released episodes. I will be posting my full interview with Fancy. It actually took place over the course of two different sessions. I will put those together, and I will put them on Patreon and Pretend Plus too. There's a lot of bonus co- content coming, um, your way. So if, if you're really digging this story, just, you know, $3 for this month, you know, it's like less than buying a cup of coffee, . And you get all this extra content. So it's a win-win for everyone. Today's episode was written and produced by me, Javier Leva. It was editedby Puneeth Shenoy with the Podcast Pundits, and our theme music is by Joe Basile with The Chicken.net. That's all I got for you today. We'll talk next time All right, so this was part four, but trust me, there are a lot more ep- Wow, we're already, um Can't believe we're already in episode four. Wow, I can't believe we're already on episode four. But guess what? Episode five, six, and seven, and eight, and nine, and ten, and there might be more, are going to be on Patreon and Apple Podcasts, and Pretend Plus on Apple Podcasts as soon as I can make them. So I am batch producing these episodes, and I'm posting them first. You will be able to listen to all these episodes free here on this feed, but it'll just have to wait, right? But you'll just have to wait because they release weekly. But if you wanna listen to them right now, head on over to Patreon and Pretend Plus on Apple Podcasts. You will be supporting local... You will be supporting independent journalism that will-- to bring you stories like these And you get ad-free early released episodes. I will be posting my full interview with Fancy. It actually took place over the course of two different sessions. I will put those together, and I will put them on Patreon and Pretend Plus too. There's a lot of bonus co- content coming, um, your way. So if, if you're really digging this story, just, you know, $3 for this month, you know, it's like less than buying a cup of coffee, and you will get all this free... And you will get all this rich... And you will get all this great reporting Plus you get to chat with the people And you get all this great reporting. And you get all this extra content. So it's a win-win for everyone. Today's episode was written and produced by me, Javier Leva. It was edited by Puneeth, by Puneeth Shenoy, by Puneeth Shenoy with the Podcast Pundits, and our theme music is by Joe Basile with The Chicken.net. That's all I got for you today. We'll talk next time